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BitCoin: Can this work?

A reader of The Long Run Blog sent Brett an email asking what he thought about a site called BitCoin. His question:

I know you’all aren’t software engineers (I am), so you can’t comment on whether or not the underlying cryptography that makes Bitcoin work is solid (it is, as far as I can tell). But I would be curious to know what you think of the general idea: could a currency not backed by a government take off? What do you think of Bitcoin’s economic design (21million bitcoins total, created over the next 100 or so years, with more created in earlier years)?

As far as I can tell, BitCoin is a P2P, distributed computing type competitor to PayPal. In the PayPal model, everyone logs into a central server. PayPal moves money around the various accounts and you can take money out of the system by having PayPal deposits it into your bank account. Because PayPal needs to buy servers and pay salaries, PayPal takes a percentage cut. However, what if computer resources, hosting, and labor were all crowd sourced? Well, that’s the BitCoin model. But there’s one small difference. Well, there are two small differences. Wait. There are three small differences. Wait. Not all of them are small.

One, as you run your node, BitCoin pays a small fee into your account for use of your hardware and bandwidth. PayPal doesn’t pay me anything.

Two, while PayPal lets you pay merchants and send people real money. As in US dollars, Canadian dollars, British Pounds, Euros. BitCoin only lets you pay in a currency invented out of whole cloth. The BitCoin. To get real money, you have to find someone who wants to trade real money for BitCoin. There are some secondary sites where you can place offers for coins and people set the price they want to sell their coins at. So, to get BitCoins you have to either earn them by keeping your node going or buying them from someone else. How do you buy BitCoins online? Well, err, Paypal.

Three, while any government can increase arbitrarily the supply of dollars, euros, etc., BitCoin swears it will cap the circulation of BitCoins to 21 million. It will generate a lot of BitCoins in the initial phase and then taper off.

It’s a little odd a system that bills itself as not needing a central authority actually does need a central authority like PayPal. At least in the initial stages. I guess the BitCoin people envision a future where people are selling goods and services for BitCoins and then using BitCoins to buy stuff. So you might sell used books or get Google to pay your adsense dollars in BitCoins. Maybe. One day. We’ll tackle that in a bit.

But to the first question can a currency not backed by a government work? The short answer is sure. Gold is not backed by any government. No government determines its value. Theoretically no government determines its supply, although gold producing nations can produce more/less depending on government regulation. As we saw in the USA, governments can simply make it illegal for citizens to buy/sell gold. Ignoring a few realities, I will happily accept gold for any services rendered (that’s a hint, Brett). I’ll take dollars too.

Pizza is another great currency. I can easily trade pizza for labor, notably when I move. My friend Olivia can trade cute facial expressions and non-committal compliments for a broad range of goods and services from me.

Gold and womanly wiles have long been forms of universal currency. Pizza is a more recent one but not as universal as we might think. In Korea, pizza won’t purchase labor from independent amateur movers (i.e., your best friends). A dish called jajangmyeon (noodles in black bean sauce) is the currency of that realm.

Anyway, what I’m getting at is money is anything you and I both agree has some value, some utility and we agree to exchange it. Money (“any article or substance used as a medium of exchange”) should not be confused with “legal tender” (“currency in specified denominations that a creditor must by law accept in redemption of a debt”). It’s helpful to think of US dollars or Euros as an expedient. The government wants taxes. It doesn’t want to waste time taking chickens from you and pizza from Brett and approving smiles from my friend Olivia. It would take a great deal of time to figure out what all these things are worth from day to day. So just pay up in US dollars. We all pretty know what a dollar will buy. About half a cup of coffee at Starbucks. We can all make reasonable predictions about what a dollar will buy a year from now. Even in the face of uncertainty we only have to hedge against one form of money, not 85 different forms of money. See. It’s efficient.

Since we all have to pay taxes, I generally don’t mind my employer paying me in the approved legal tender the government views as fair payment for the services it renders to me (defense, my local subway system, health care). Back during the dot.com boom, I knew people who made deals to take the greater portion of their salaries in stock options and not US dollars. That was perfectly legal. To them, slips of paper with Amazon.com or InfoSpace had value (and greater future value than the US dollar) and they were happy to trade labor to get those slips of paper.

Where some people get in trouble, like the Liberty Dollar folks, is if you try to claim it is real, legal tender or intimate it. The Secret Service seems to have a very encompassing definition of “intimate” so you really need to be careful. It’s like those Passport to Fun things you might get at some amusement parks. They’ll have some legal disclaimer that they’re not actual passports and you think “what retard would ever think that?” but you just want to be careful.

So to the original question “can currency not backed by the government work?” Yes. As demonstrated. Can BitCoin work specifically? Yes, if people agree to accept BitCoin in return for goods and services. The list of vendors who will accept BitCoin is pretty thin. It seems to me you need a lot of vendors offering an interesting range of products and services for this currency to survive. If leaving my computer on for 3 weeks will generate enough coin to be able to buy something from a vendor selling a product I want, sure I’ll do that. If I have to give someone real money to get coins in my account and none of the current vendors offer a good or service I want, I won’t use the service.

To put it in software terms, it’s like introducing a new operating system. The new operating system seems to solve all kinds of problems but no one will use it unless there’s a whole ecosystem of third party software and hardware makers. Few developers will invest time and money to turn out software and hardware unless they see a lot of users or many users in the near future. That’s exactly the problem BitCoin has to solve. It’s not an engineering problem. It’s a psychological problem. It’s a problem many very rich companies with a lot of money and smart people have failed to solve. It’s a problem others have solved by either noticing an un-served niche or simply backing up into it. Lots of cybercash companies died on the vine during the dot.com boom but PayPal took off. Why? PayPal was quick and easy and let anyone with a credit card engage in ecommerce.

Now what about this plan to limit the coins to a maximum of 21 million? Is that a good idea. This appeals to people who like the idea of the gold standard. You can’t expand the supply of gold very easily or very quickly. Whereas an irresponsible government can simply print money. If you have too much money chasing after too few products you get inflation. Some people think the million dollars they have saved for retirement will be worthless by the time they retire because the government will create too much additional money. I can see this coin cap being a marketing element to appeal to the people uncomfortable with inflation, the government’s ability to turn on the printing presses, and a money supply that can’t be easily expanded.

I think the consensus of the Long Run Blog is a little inflation isn’t a bad thing. If you know your money is worth a little bit less each year, you’re not inclined to simply throw it under your bed. You invest it. This provides money for new businesses. A lot of inflation, however, is a bad thing for reasons I think are obvious to any reader. People worried about inflation become a victim of the fallacy of the excluded middle. Something is all bad. None of it is all good. But there’s the possibility a middle position can be a net positive.

Now, what happens if BitCoin really takes off and you have 21 million coins and 500 million users? That’s .04 coins per user. Does that sound useful? No one is going to use the system if it can’t expand its money supply. Coins only have value if they’re an efficient medium of exchange. If it becomes a huge bother to obtain a rare stock of coins, people will stop using the system. The value of the coins you do hold will lose value. You might have solved the problem of creating inflation because an irresponsible government creates too much new money but you’ve not solved the problem of having no clue what your coins can buy tomorrow or a year from now.

The Internet and Utopian Money Systems

I don’t want to poison the well but having lived the upswing and downswing of the dot com days, I saw a lot of utopian talk about how the Internet breaks all kinds of rules about money, commerce, and finance. The poster child for a “this time things are different” attitude espoused by some is the (defunct) web site Stock Generation. Read Wired’s excellent post mortem.

I’m not saying BitCoin is a scam or pyramid scheme or anything similar. I’m just saying be wary of people who make utopian pronouncements about money and how the Internet defies conventional wisdom.

– Karl Mamer

November 16, 2010 - Posted by | Uncategorized

16 Comments »

  1. Bitcoin won’t fail because there are only .04BTC/person, that won’t be a problem at all. The default client only shows precision to bitcents right now, but an actual coin is divisible into one hundred million parts.

    If anything, divisibility is more of a problem for wide use of gold than for bitcoin. But even for gold I think it is a small problem.

    Comment by bitcoinnick | November 17, 2010 |

  2. Of course being able to divide a coin up to 100 million times is pretty much the same thing as saying BitCoin’s money supply can be increased 100 million times. What’s the different between saying something that cost 1 bitcoin now costs 1,000 bitcoins (under an expansionist monetary policy) or saying it now costs .001 bitcoins?

    Comment by kamamer | November 17, 2010 |

  3. It isn’t the same at all from the perspective of someone who already has worked/traded for the currency.

    If you add precision all holders have the same % as they had before. If you add more units holders get diluted.

    Anyone considering whether to hold a currency that will increase via precision vs one that will increase via printing should prefer the currency with the precision increase.

    To reiterate. I am not going to be upset if coffee starts costing $0.001. I am going to be upset if the money supply increases 1000x.

    Comment by bitcoinnick | November 17, 2010 |

  4. Right, I’m not talking about dilution. I’m talking about it this way: 1 bitcoin can now buy you a car. It’s pretty useless for buying you a coffee. The people running bitcoin have two options. You can add precision, saying you can now spend fractional bitcoins. You can spend .001 bitcoins. Or you can say, everyone who has 1 bitcoin now has 1,000 bitcoins. That’s the kind of expansion I’m talking about.

    However, it does efficiently mean the number of spendable units will/can increase beyond the 21 million cap, although granted your % of the spendable pot remains the same.

    But your right it does solve the utility problem similar to have a $100 bill. It’s no fun having to walk around with a $100 bill you can’t ever spend because no one breaks $100 bills anymore.

    Comment by kamamer | November 17, 2010 |

  5. Ive been selling Amazon.com gift cards for bitcoin for a few months now and also offering rebates paid in bitcoins to customers. If you believe in the power of agorism and the true free market you will love bitcoin for what it represents.

    Comment by akismet-6ecb8daa20913fd64b9ba541b35a7e98 | November 17, 2010 |

  6. It seems there are some hard core bitcoin supporters out there judging from the quick response to Karl’s post.

    For my money, (pun intended) the biggest issue with BC is the lack of acceptance SO FAR.

    The second objection is how average consumers can be confident someone can’t tinker with the system. No one trusts the Fed these days, but why should anyone trust some anonymous programmer on the internet? I urge the bitcoin engineers to think hard about how to instill trust. And trust includes not only manipulation of the system, but also privacy.

    Comment by Brett | November 17, 2010 |

    • Exactly, Brett. People will trade goods and services for bitcoin if they think there’s something worth buying with the bitcoin they earn. How bitcoin is ever going to solve that chicken or the egg scenario would be interesting. It’s inefficient to have to buy bitcoins via paypall when you could just use paypal.

      But if two people want to exchange bitcoins for any good or service, heck, more power to them.

      I found some interesting claims about bitcoin on a message board that I might follow up in a few days.

      Comment by kamamer | November 17, 2010 |

  7. Hey, krammer. I think your version of expansion would be the same as adding precision. Maybe with one small difference. The precision is “already there” in bitcoin, it’s just hidden for convenience in the only client anyone is using now. Whenever people want to use smaller parts they will be able to. There won’t need to be an ‘event’ where 1BTC becomes 1000BTC.

    Comment by bitcoinnick | November 17, 2010 |

    • Agreed. Precision technically solves the need for more coins, though no one really knows the psychological effect of having .03BC vs $30 say. Will people hoard or manage their money differently? Bitcoin should be so lucky – it’s a long road to that point.

      Comment by Brett | November 18, 2010 |

      • Based purely on my anecdotal experience in Korea where I was earning 2 million won a month and coffee was 3,000 won at Starbucks, I can’t say there was any psychological effect. “Wow, I’m rollin’ large here! Pulling down millions of dollar a month!” But I just happen to live in some crazy world where a coffee is $3,000.

        You quickly understood if you knocked off three zeros you got a rough dollar amount. So a cup of coffee was really $3.

        Clearly there was some massive inflation in Korea (in 1945 US$1 = 15 won) but no one seems worse for wear these days.

        If you told a Korean in 1945 that within his lifetime it would take 100 times more won bills to buy a cup of tea he would think it was an impossible future where only the very rich could afford something as simple as a cup of tea.

        And bitcoin does problematically increase the money supply. If you have 1,000 bitcoins today, you do know in future more are being released and your % share of all bitcoins becomes diluted. Your only consolation is the expansion of the money supply is regular and predictable. Although that’s a lot like Friedman’s idea of the fed should just use a computer to increase the money supply by 3% every year regardless.

        And what if someone comes up with a better competing P2P payment system? People drop out, merchants drop out. People dump bitcoin. It’s like first there was GroupOn. Now there are about half a dozen copy cat group buying programs.

        Comment by kamamer | November 18, 2010

  8. If a better p2p system is invented especially now people will surely choose it, but as bitcoin is adopted, switching costs will rise and the new system will have to be a lot better. But, yeah, it would be great to see another system. Kind of like “qwerty” keyboards, sure something else might be a little better, but it isn’t worth switching everything for a minor improvement. I had actually thought about this kind of thing before and figured it was impossible. Turns out I’m just not too clever. Now I can’t think of a better system, but what do I know?

    Anything new we are going to use as a money needs to come into existence somehow. There are 4.6 million coins that individuals have control of now and it will asymptotically approach 21 million over the next 112 or so years. So if you want, just think of the 21M already “existing” and you have a guarantee that 21,000 coins will be a tenth of a percent of all coins for all time. This is different from our relations ship to the FED’s dollar where you can know (kind of) what % you have now, but never what will happen to that in the future (though I have a hunch).

    Comment by bitcoinnick | November 18, 2010 |

    • Lots of people thought the cost of switching from CP/M to DOS would be too costly.

      Comment by kamamer | November 18, 2010 |

      • Oh, I don’t mean to imply that nothing else will ever replace bitcoin no matter what, only that it will have to solve some important problem that bitcoin doesn’t. I don’t see the problem, but that’s probably because it’ll crop up later and I’m too short sighted.

        Comment by bitcoinnick | November 18, 2010

  9. I’ll fess up: I’m the reader who sent the questions.

    Karl: I think I agree that a little inflation would be better than the eventual deflation that will be the result of a fixed number of Bitcoins…. although:

    If Bitcoin turns out to be used more as a store-of-value (like gold) than a currency-for-exchange (like dollars), then deflation is a feature, not a bug. If part of your nest egg is a bunch of bitcoins sitting on and encrypted USB stick in your safe deposit box, then it is great if they are able to purchase more stuff (or be traded for a greater number of dollars) over time.

    That said, I think you’d be crazy to invest more than a token amount of your wealth in Bitcoins at this point, and I’m one of those “anonymous bitcoin developers” (we’re not all anonymous). Anything new and untested is risky.

    Comment by Gavin Andresen | November 18, 2010 |

  10. Thank you Karl, this post was insightful. I’ve got some questions about bitcoins (http://gnuosphere.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/bitcoinmoneysupply/) but my key one has to do with deleted bitcoins. I don’t think there is a way to confidently estimate the number of BTCs in circulation because when they are destroyed, the network lacks that knowledge. Is this lack of knowledge a problem for a currency with a finite supply? If the market believes that the amount of bitcoins in circulation match the total thus far produced by all mined blocks but this isn’t the case, does this present problems?

    Comment by petrock | July 1, 2011 |


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